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Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.28 12:11:00 - [1] The question I should maybe be asking instead, is whether it is a covet ops ship after all? What stops me from just fitting a cloak to a raven and do all the things a SB does, but better? Bombs? Please. An other subject all together. Otherwise pls rethink the requirements/bonuses to fly it. As it stands now, I can fly the Blockade runner with a cov ops cloak now with no skill points into Covert ops Skill. BUT I need Cov Ops skill to fly the SB which can not fit the said cloak. This has been requested numerous times in these forums but I have yet to see a valid argument against it(valid to me), so pls enlighten me.
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.28 12:33:00 - [2] It could even encourage some pacifists to try their hand in PVP, by being under the illusion that they are invincible since they would be invisible.
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.28 12:42:00 - [3] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Alt MKII What stops me from just fitting a cloak to a raven and do all the things a SB does, but better? Lesseehereà Quote: Covert Ops Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Cruise Missile and bomb [race specific] damage and multiplies the cloaked velocity by 125% per level Role Bonus: -99% reduction in Cruise Launcher powergrid needs, -99% reduction in Bomb Launcher CPU use and -100% targeting delay after decloaking Note: can fit covert cynosural field generators Ok, so bombs can't be used as an argument. That still leaves the following questions: can your Raven fly faster cloaked than uncloaked? Can your Raven fire immediately after uncloaking (ie before the target warps off)? Can your Raven fit covert cynos? The raven has all the time it needs to lock after uncloaking in PVP since the othe person is having a rofl fit. Especially post QR. I have never really had to go fast anywhere while cloaked except few cases of escaping heavy camps. Could have done without it IMHO. I use the proper cov ops frig for cynos.
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.28 12:46:00 - [4] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Tippia Ok, so bombs can't be used as an argument. That still leaves the following questions: can your Raven fly faster cloaked than uncloaked? Can your Raven fire immediately after uncloaking (ie before the target warps off)? Can your Raven fit covert cynos? Not to mention, can ones cloaked raven uncloak, shoot a ship down and warp away and re-cloak before the target even has time to say "WT..." Not really but doing that with a SB, you would have accomplished little unless your target was a stationary frigate or DD. For 5+ sb pack this is indeed a very valid strategy.
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.28 12:50:00 - [5] Originally by: Alt MKII Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Tippia Ok, so bombs can't be used as an argument. That still leaves the following questions: can your Raven fly faster cloaked than uncloaked? Can your Raven fire immediately after uncloaking (ie before the target warps off)? Can your Raven fit covert cynos? Not to mention, can ones cloaked raven uncloak, shoot a ship down and warp away and re-cloak before the target even has time to say "WT..." Not really but doing that with a SB, you would have accomplished little unless your target was a stationary frigate or DD. For 5+ sb pack this is indeed a very valid strategy. I forgot to mention that you have to be laying ambush somewhere in the first place for this to work. With the cov ops cloak it can be used to great effect by hunting while cloaked.
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.28 12:55:00 - [6] There's your answer really. Imagine a free-roaming bomber that can stay cloaked without a pause until it finds a target? But isn't this supposed to be the role of a stealth bomber? A submarine type of spaceship?
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.28 13:00:00 - [7] Edited by: Alt MKII on 28/11/2008 12:59:50 Originally by: Karille The stealth bomber has enough DPS to lay waste to a mining op. Ships with the covert ops cloak have always been balanced by weak dps. You show up in a belt with your sb and every one packs up and leaves. Or you try to guess which belt they are going to hit next and wait there. With the current state of local, limited chance of success either way.
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.28 13:13:00 - [8] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Alt MKII But isn't this supposed to be the role of a stealth bomber? A submarine type of spaceship? Aye, and i wouldn't mind it, but it would be too powerful. Originally by: Alt MKII You show up in a belt with your sb and every one packs up and leaves. Or you try to guess which belt they are going to hit next and wait there. With the current state of local, limited chance of success either way. Wait at gate, take out miners(locktime is ridicilously small), can manage maybe two salvos before a bigger ship hits warp etc. It's a frig speed half-raven really, in the right hands, devastating. Frig fragile as well.... It would indeed become more powerful with the cov ops cloak, but TOO powerfull? I do not know about that and hence this thread.
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.28 13:42:00 - [9] Edited by: Alt MKII on 28/11/2008 13:43:59 Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 28/11/2008 13:15:03 Originally by: Alt MKII The question I should maybe be asking instead, is whether it is a covet ops ship after all? What stops me from just fitting a cloak to a raven and do all the things a SB does, but better? Massive initial locking delay, and a even larger lock time penalty for using a cloak on a BS for starters. Try fitting a cloak to a raven then uncloak and see how long it takes you to lock a frig or even a cruiser you will soon see why. Okay lets take two combat scenarios: 1.SB Vs (whatever really) cruiser SB uncloaks SB Targets SB fires salvo CR is in armor - WTF CR Warps away AKA the mosquito effect. 2. Raven vs same cruiser Raven uncloaks Raven targets CR - WTF? You must be joking Raven still targets CR Cruiser pilot ponders whether to cry or laugh at you Raven still targets CR - Should you be misioning or ratting somewhere? Raven still targets CR - You are quite mad aren't you? Raven finally locks CR - hm a raven kill, cool. Hits AF Raven fires - your cruises/torpedoes hit for 50 damage - THIS IS MADNESS!!! CR - THIS IS QR! Raven scarmbles/webs/nos etc CR and deploys 5 tech II light drones CR - ehh... Profit. I think the raven is more effective and comedy material at the same time.
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.28 14:00:00 - [10] The difference as I see it is that with the cov ops cloak you arrive at the scene cloaked and decide your actions, without it you arrive then cloak and cross your fingers. It is like comparing using a silenced gun to a booby trap/mine. Both covert actions, but totally different. The end result in both scenarios for a stealth bomber and a potential victim is the same though so I do not see how the sb would become overpowered.
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.28 15:26:00 - [11] Originally by: Sigras Scenario 1 (after stealth bombers get a cov-ops cloak) SB warps to the gate cloaked at 50K and sees 5 cruisers camping the gate SB calls to his 6 other SB buddies who all warp in cloaked SB fleet motors in to within 3K of the cruiser undetected. SB fleet all decloaks hits everyone with sensor damps and alpha strikes one cruiser with no warning or counter. Scenario 2 (after stealth bombers get a cov-ops cloak) SB warps to the gate cloaked at 50K and sees 5 BC's camping the gate . . . Scenario 3 (after stealth bombers get a cov-ops cloak) SB warps to the gate cloaked at 50K and sees 5 HAC's camping the gate . . . and, as sonny and cher sang "the beat goes on" This is already doable now in a slightly diffent way: Covert OPS Frigate warps to the gate cloaked at 50K and sees 5 cruisers camping the gate Covert OPS Frigate calls to his 6 other SB buddies who warp in uncloaked at 120k SB fleet hits everyone with sensor damps and alpha strikes one cruiser with no warning or counter. etc etc
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.28 17:28:00 - [12] Originally by: Crellion Not to take places here but in the first example the cruiser insta dies while in the second it watched the missles come and warps out... Campers only react fast to the sound of the gate they are camping - it usually wakes them up. The missiles will hit them from 120k, because they will not be expecting it. If they are experienced enough and well drilled, then they will also be fast enough to warp out in such a scenario. I have yet to see such a very good drilled camper gang though. And most of them will NOT warp out but try to fight as they are playing too macho to run.
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.29 08:38:00 - [13] Originally by: steave435 I don't have time to read the whole thread atm, but I read about half the first page and previous threads have failed to mention this. If the stealth bomber could use a cov ops cloak, there would be no point in flying a much weaker "normal" cov ops frig that can already fit that cloak. The normal cov ops frig beats the sb hands down in terms of exploration and giving the cov ops to sb will not change that. One is a recon ship the other is a combat recon ship. Not satisfied? Simple: remove SB's ability for cynos. I have not heard of anyone using them for that anyway.
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.29 14:29:00 - [14] Originally by: Rajere covert ops cloaks would make stealth bombers rediculously overpowered, and you're an idiot if you don't see why. In order to balance them they would need to remove bombs and drop the number of missile launcher hardpoints to 1, and high slots to 3. Thank for your kind words. Would you care to elaborate? Why would they become overpowered? I may be an idiot and do not understand but pls humour me.
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.29 14:51:00 - [15] Edited by: Alt MKII on 29/11/2008 14:50:58 Originally by: lebrata Originally by: Alt MKII Originally by: Rajere covert ops cloaks would make stealth bombers rediculously overpowered, and you're an idiot if you don't see why. In order to balance them they would need to remove bombs and drop the number of missile launcher hardpoints to 1, and high slots to 3. Thank for your kind words. Would you care to elaborate? Why would they become overpowered? I may be an idiot and do not understand but pls humour me. If you cannot understand now when its so simple if you understand the ships in eve, what makes you think understand the explanation?. If you spend time to read the posts above, half of the people here seem to think it will become overpowered, half do not. I personally believe the latter and I am not nearly convinced as to the first. I am looking for a good argument on WHY it will become overpowered.

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